Deconstructing Podunk

To save it the old Sauna at Podunk, it had to be taken down. The squirrels had invaded and filled the dressing room with a cache of black walnuts. The building was slowly sinking into the earth, and the safety of the chimney—a heavy cast cement affair, supported in the ceiling by a rusty homemade contraption—was questionable. The gaping mouth of the woodstove, its door rusted open, was set in a permanent expression of whoa!

If the sauna was ever to make löyly again, work would have to be done. So a month ago, after careful consideration and much debate, Scarlet and I joined members of the Heila family for a day of deconstruction.

As you may recall from earlier posts about Podunk (Sauna Time, Sauna Ritual, Homecoming, Back to Podunk), this is the ninety year old sauna where many of us locals were initiated into the joys of sauna during the heyday of the 70s when the Podunk Ski Center was a mecca for Nordic Skiing and all things Finnish. The structure’s simple rustic character, which addressed the basic functionality of the sauna with what I call Finnish pragmatism, is the inspiration behind much of my sauna building. The demolition would give me the chance to dissect it and uncover some secrets of its original design.

We always thought it was the perfect sauna: Hot but airy, it made good löyly and was roomy enough for an intimate crowd of eight.

What I did not know was how the materials related to its function: how it heated up so well, how it held a good Löyly and never felt stuffy, and why it never burned down. Aesthetics aside, these are essential components to a well functioning sauna. We often debated whether it had any insulation at all, so I was especially curious about that.

We gathered on a drizzly morning with a chill in the air. Ironically, it was a perfect day for sauna. Our plan was to document the existing structure and take it down methodically, saving what we could and carting the rest away. Eventually, the structure will be rebuilt on the same site, the design as close to the original as possible. We proceeded quickly, each of us attacking a specific area. Beloved details, like the doors and little shelves in the dressing room, were labeled, wrapped, and safely stored. The repurposed barn siding was carefully removed plank by plank, and the whole front facade was Sawzalled off and preserved. As the layers were peeled back, we discovered not only that there had been several incarnations to the structure but we revealed answers to some of the questions I had been pondering. There were several surprises. 

As the walls were removed from the outside in, we uncovered many layers and each wall was different. On the east wall, under the vertical reclaimed barn boards (installed in the ’70s?) was a layer of Inselbric, the ubiquitous and horribly ugly asphalt siding that was used starting in the ’30’s until aluminum siding became popular. The product was easy to use and durable and is still found on many economy (or as my Dad would call it: “Early American Poverty”) style homes dating between 1930 and 1960. This was over a layer of horizontal 1×6 pine boards, loosely spaced, which went around most of the building. The big surprise was under these boards: flattened cardboard boxes, several layers deep, between rough-sawn, vertical framing members about two feet on center.

The cardboard was in good shape and the labels were easily read: cereal case boxes from Wheaties, Corn Flakes, and others. This was the insulation we all had wondered about!

A web search of the logo style led to verification of the sauna’s 1935 date of construction. Vertical boards were interspersed with the cardboard with no apparent purpose. Was this to add thermal mass to the walls? The interior surface was initially all Beaverboard (an early fiber board) that had been covered with a thin veneer of plaster (real plaster, not joint compound) which was painted. This was akin to the plaster and tile block sauna of Van Buskirk Gulf I’ve written about in a previous blog post. The skimcoated Beaverboard provided a vapor resistant barrier that held the Löyly steam for the right amount of time. Later, in the 1970s, this barrier was covered with 1×6, tongue-and-groove, knotty pine. Given the current popular obsession with cedar interior sauna walls, I wonder if a more authentic sauna might be simply plaster with wooden benches and back rests? The plaster and paint layers (probably lead paint) were vapor semi-impermeable and thus capable of holding some of the moisture. Surely all the outer layers in the walls were breathable; that is, the allowed vapor to easily escape and not collect as condensation. This is a very important consideration in any kind of construction. But one corner post had signs of severe rot. Did the plaster layer crack here and allow moisture to saturate the wood? That must have opened the door for a colony of carpenter ants that moved in.

I also noticed that other than the entire building sinking into the earth, the walls were structurally sound. So much so that when Tom hooked up the tractor to pull the north wall off, the whole remaining building (already missing its east and south wall) simply hopped along the foundation slab behind the tractor, taking the chimney with it and sending everyone into fits of laughter. All those random layers of heavy boards were keeping things together. It’s not a recommended practice, but sometimes just heaping layers of wood into a structure creates enough redundancy to make it solid. I prefer the more efficient approach of building more with less.

The ceiling repeated the wall construction: plastered Beaverboard covered with pine. The tiny attic space was filled with a layer of cellulose—peppered with rodent droppings, and walnuts—empty boxes of rat poison, and a few old bottles here and there (which probably once contained hooch). One attractive bottle was verified as being from 1938 by its unique design. Probably teenagers hiding their stash after a sauna, but quite possibly, offerings to the sauna Gods to protect the structure from burning down.

As for fire safety, it was barely existent. It was a miracle that the sauna didn’t burn down. There was charred wood throughout the attic, especially around the iron chimney supports.

Again, there were a lot of heavy boards laid across the ceiling joists, which seemed to have no structural significance, perhaps only adding thermal mass or insulation. The roof rafters were so heavy, and the roof so strong, that after it was lying on the ground like a low pup tent, Tom had to drive the tractor over it to break it apart. The metal, standing seam roof, with its many coats of black tar, was in surprisingly good shape, but leakage was occurring where the heavy, cast cement chimney penetrated it. The stove below, welded by me in the 1990s, was so rusted it was deemed scrap.

The cement floor had sloped to a drain but was cracked and broken. The original cement pour seemed hodgepodge and lacked any rebar. Woodchucks had tunneled voids underneath it. The drain had allowed bathing—something the early Finnish farmers needed as the house probably lacked plumbing. The floor will be replaced with an edge-thickened slab as the foundation—with a solid gravel base over undisturbed earth reinforcement with steel.

I consider bathing an essential part of the sauna experience. It is a function of the sauna that informs my designs.

Perhaps one component why the sauna felt so good was all the brick work around the face of the stove—the stove was fired from the dressing room—a traditional design I frequently use. (External Feed Sauna >) This added about a thousand pounds of thermal mass to the hot room. Thermal mass holds heat and radiates it back into the room, very desirable. But it also means it will take longer to heat up. I typically use a lightweight fire wall (between hot room and dressing room) so the sauna will heat quickly and to lessen the load on the building structure. Perhaps I should rethink that and revert to the solid masonry I started building with in the ‘90s. Ironically, the brick work at Podunk was added in the ’70s. The old Finns in our region commonly relied on asbestos board for fire protection.

By the end of the day, we had a pile of barn boards and other parts stacked and labeled in the old ski lodge, and a dumpster overflowed with the rest. Although most of the sauna was discarded, the lessons learned will live on in the saunas I continue to build. Next year, we will rebuild Podunk with modern efficiency but in the same basic footprint as the original. Hopefully, the entire facade will be replaced and the lilac tree where the sauna bell hung replanted. We’ll probably skip the lead paint and asbestos board and use a modern, UL listed chimney support in lieu of the original homemade rig. Fire safety will be based on science, not luck (or sauna Gods). The walls will be lined with cedar over foil (with an air gap!), and the functionality will be the same, and hopefully, better.

Family and friends will gather there to sweat and bathe and run naked to the creek for generations to come.

Back to Podunk

Reflecting view of old Finnish Sauna from inside of new Finnish sauna.

If you look Podunk up in the dictionary, it will tell you it is a hypothetical or insignificant town.

The folks who live there think otherwise. In reality, Podunk is a place name on the map, the location just a short ski south of Trumansburg, New York, where I grew up. The smattering of residents, will all tell you that Podunk is very real and very significant. 

In the 1960s, Ozzie Heila settled there with his family on an old farmstead established by an even older Finn who first built his sauna (above) before the house in the 1930s. It is also where I learned all the important things in life. In the 1970s I spent countless winter hours there at the ski center that Ozzie established, becoming a damn good Nordic skier and developing a life-long passion for the sport.

In the summers, I explored the creek with his son my good friend Daniel and learned the value of immersing one’s self in nature. Daniel’s mother, Ethel, was my art teacher in middle school; she helped me become the artist I am today, and we still have wonderful conversations about color theory and art composition. The sauna was the heart of the complex of dated farm buildings; there I learned to channel my need to experience extremes into something healthy and life affirming. We loved going from the hot to the cold.

Jumping in the creek in the dead of winter after a searing round in the sauna, we felt more alive than ever. That feeling has never died; each cold plunge I take during sauna takes me back to that creek.

Today, Daniel and his family were back in the area and we went to Podunk to visit the old homestead once again. This time we took our Finnish Blue mobile sauna and parked it next to the ramshackle old sauna, which is now defunct and awaiting a rebirth. Of course, many things have changed in that memorable place. The trees have grown huge or have died; the old purple Lilac, with the rusty sauna bell hanging from its branches, is gone and the brush has been cleared away from the old sauna, revealing the sagging bones of the century-old  structure. But the building itself is as recognizable as the last day I took a sauna there about twenty-five years ago. The inside is a sadder story. It turns out that squirrels like the sauna too, and they have made it their own. In an expression of horror at the mess, the Lämpimämpi stove I welded up for Ozzie in the 90s sits with it’s mouth rusted wide open. 

The path through the field to the creek is the same but with a detour to the left towards a new dipping hole: a makeshift stone bathtub—with a strategically placed rock to help keep your butt moored—in the midst of the rushing current. The run down to the creek had an awkward familiarity: running all out before cooling off while maintaining stable footing. Still a challenge. And the sensation! Whoops and hollers of twelve-year-old boys came out of us as we braved the icy April stream.

Real or not, Podunk is the same as it will always be. What are memories but unreal fragments of experience in our minds, ready to be stirred up by whirling waters in a cold stream or by the exhilarating steam of a sauna?

The old next to the new will always appear old, until we make it new again and live our lives to the fullest, with no regrets, in the now, and with dreams, not of memories, but of tomorrows.

new Finnish sauna parked next to an old Finnish sauna by the creek
New sauna and parked it next to the old sauna near the creek.

Sauna Building Class

Sauna Building Class and workshop with Rob Licht

Learn how to build saunas and gain expert knowledge from master builder Rob Licht in an intensive four-day masterclass experience

Dates: (CHECK AVAILABILITY>)

A comprehensive sauna building class and workshop with demonstrations, lectures and some hands-on experience. We will cover many aspects of sauna building:

  • Design and layout of freestanding & electric saunas
  • Selection of the proper wood and materials
  • Principals of insulation
  • Interior finishing of wood paneling
  • Basics of the kiuas or sauna stove (emphasis on wood burning but electric is covered)
  • Safe clearances and chimney installation
  • Floor and stove-wall masonry construction
  • Mobile saunas
  • Sauna details: Benches, doors, windows and more
  • Sauna essentials: usage, customs and etiquette
  • Sauna business and culture in the US
  • Sauna construction challenges

Total Class Fee:
$975 individual
$1850 couple/family rate

A $300 non-refundable deposit (for each person) is due at registration and applied to the total class fee.

Location: 
At the Shop of Rob Licht Custom Saunas
8 Verizon Lane, Unit 1, Lansing, NY 14882

Class size will be limited to 12.

Class Schedule:
Thursday: 10AM to 5PM
Friday: 9AM to 5PM
Saturday: 9AM to 5PM
Sunday: 9AM to 1PM

Lunches will be provided every day. Throughout the intensive days we will have break-out work sessions, time to answer questions, and coffee breaks. There will be opportunities for socializing after class and the option to take sauna at the shop and by the lake. One evening, we will sauna and picnic at a local park on Cayuga Lake. Significant others are welcome to join us for this event.

Recommended prerequisite: We’re not covering basic carpentry (exterior framing), and basic metal working. If you lack these skills it is advised that you take a hands-on carpentry class. 

About the Teacher: Rob Licht has been taking sauna for 50 years and has built and designed hundreds of custom saunas. Rob readily dispenses his knowledge to students and hopes to share his enthusiasm and expert knowledge of sauna with you. 

Rob Licht grew up near Ithaca, N.Y., inspired by the bucolic landscape of the Finger Lakes region. He fell in love with sauna and Finnish culture as a teenager at a local cross-country ski center run by a Finnish family. He has a Master of Fine Arts Degree from Cornell University and has been a practicing artist and teacher for over 30 years. He taught art at Ithaca College for 12 years and has also taught adult education classes in welding, art, and design. He began combining his love of sauna, his practice as an artist, and his skills acquired from working in the building trades into a sauna building business in 1995. Today sauna building is his primary focus and he is one of the leading east coast sauna builders and sauna building educator offering a plethora of information to his clients, and now students, from around the world.

Terms & Info: A $300 non refundable deposit is due at registration payable paypal/venmo and applied to total class fee. Your balance is due (via mailed check) at least 45 days before class in order to attend. We realize that check writing may be a thing of the past, so are other options via paypal but ask that you cover the 3% paypal fee. We will also accept cash for the balance when you arrive, just let us know if you are planning on that so we can plan for your attendance.  In the event the class is under enrolled you will be informed, and your deposit of $300 will be refunded. In the case the class is over enrolled (12+) we will put you on a waitlist and we will let you know asap if you can attend. Because of the overwhelming popularity of the class, there is often a waitlist, so if you do need to cancel please keep that in mind so we have time to fulfill your spot. Class size will be limited to 12. Class attendees will have the opportunity to buy our sauna building plans at 50% off.

About the Shop: 3000 sq ft with 16 ft ceilings and two large overhead doors and outdoor spaces to ensure good air quality.

Lunch is included: Lunches will be delivered to the shop. We will accommodate basic dietary restrictions with options. Coffee, Tea and snacks will also be available throughout the days of the class. 

Sauna etiquette: We allow about 4 people at a time in the sauna. Bathing suits are required; please bring 2 towels (free from perfumed detergents) to sit on in the sauna. Towels will also be provided everyday. Everyone will get a chance to sauna most days after class.

WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING…

“This was the best weekend. I learned so much and left feeling full of inspiration and conviction. We can do this y’all- the revolution is happening! I am so grateful to you, Rob and Scarlet, for working so hard to put together such a clear and digestible roadmap for all of us. And I am so grateful for having four days with the loveliest people to talk sauna. What a dream.”  —Erin, NC

“What an amazing weekend of sauna immersion. It was something special to be in an intimate group of like-minded folk focused on something that brings us such joy. Rob and Scarlet so well prepared and so packed with knowledge and hands-on experience! I was so impressed with the smooth and thoughtful delivery of information. Possibly the biggest take away I got was that there are many right and not so right ways to do things, in the end sauna building is an art as much as it is a science, which is why my sauna is so authentic in the experience.”  —Mark, MA

Rob and Scarlet are the real deal! I’m a professional carpenter and builder. I bought and adapted Rob’s mobile sauna plans, and I also did a consult with him. Two years later, and I’ve just had the pleasure of spending 4 days in the shop with Rob, Scarlet, and about a dozen other students, drinking from the firehose of knowledge and experience. They make a great team, both as builders and educators, and they’re just great people to be around. I couldn’t be more pleased and impressed with the experience, and I’m eager to get back to building saunas back on the west coast with my business, Sauna Väki. —Josiah, OR