Sauna Insulation, Revisited

A lot of building science is pretty theoretical because, no matter how much research you do, at the end of the job most of the work is hidden in the walls. Unless you come back to do renovations, or worse, get a dreaded “call back” for something gone seriously wrong, you rarely get the opportunity to see how your work performs. I am not talking about cosmetic details like nail holes that don’t get filled or rough edges that didn’t get sanded, but about how well materials hold up to the heat or how well you have managed moisture movement through the walls, either as precipitation working its way in, or the more mysterious way that water vapor works its way out. (or inwards in some climates). This moisture is driven by vapor pressure, which can drive water molecules through most any material given the right humidity and heat differentials— something a sauna has a lot of. I learned about vapor pressure when I realized that my hollow steel yard sculptures were inexplicably filling up with water. My welds are very solid and water-tight but somehow moisture was penetrating the steel, condensing and not getting out. Cutting holes in the bottoms to let trapped water out solved that problem. There’s a bit of molecular science involved here, but suffice it say that vapor pressure is very strong- strong enough that when I throw water on the hot rocks my sauna door pops open as if the löyly has scared a ghost out of hiding. (Read previous post about Insulating Saunas)

Thinking about all of this has left me wondering what is happening in my sauna walls; am I doing a good job? is the insulation holding up? is water getting trapped?

Yesterday I had to do some retrofitting on the first mobile sauna I built in 2013. I exchanged the Scandia gas heater for a wood burner and got to peer into the dark interior of the walls. This is a sauna that has seen heavy and very hot (200°+) usage.
The walls were built with cedar inside and out with only a 1″ layer of foil faced polyioscyanurate foam board in between the studs.

Here is what I found:

There was no damage from trapped moisture and the foam board looked as good as new; the foil facing still shiny!
There was some high-temp fiber fax insulation used around the gas heater; a rodent had gotten into this (despite my filling gaps around the gas line with steel wool) and made a stinky little nest.

So this confirmed my use of the polyisocyanurate board, which has a service temperature of 250°F and my disdain of fiberglass type materials (because rodents love it).

On my desk I have a piece of EXP (expanded polysytrene) foam I pulled out of a failed sauna I was asked to repair. It looks like one of my steel sculptures from my Landform series – a flowing, green landscape (of melted plastic). Its service temp is listed as 150° F. All materials have material data sheets, usually available on the manufacturers web pages. I consult these whenever I am unsure about materials, especially given that the extremes of the sauna are like the extremes NASA engineers have to deal with.
Clearly there is a correlation between science and reality, even if it is happening unseen inside the walls of your sauna. So when choosing materials, listen to the science, learn from observation and don’t just buy the cheapest materials or use only the easiest approach. Consult with the experts. Sometimes there is more to it than meets the eye.

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Electric Blue

You ask how or why electric mobile? There are a number of reasons why going mobile makes sense, especially if you rent. You need no permits or special permissions.  You just park it in your yard and use it. You can take it with you on vacations or just for a Saturday down by the lake, you can even enter it in a parade.  But why electric? Electric is no longer the inefficient dark horse of the energy world that it once was. It can be generated cleanly by wind or solar and is cheaper, cleaner, and easier to use than gas or oil. Although any purist will tell you a wood-burning sauna is the real deal, in some places wood is not so easy-—firewood may be hard to come by and to difficult store, and your neighbors may too close for comfort or offended by the occasional whiff of smoke. Since I’ve eliminated gas burners from my repertoire (for reasons I won’t go into here) an electric mobile sauna is the next best thing. All you need is a place to plug it in.

When clients ask me to create a sauna they often push me to do things I might have never considered doing.  I’ve been requested to make saunas in spaces I thought were too tiny, on trailers, deep in the woods next to a pond, or to convert a cheap shed or laundry room. The most recent project to leave the shop is an electric mobile sauna. The owner has a Tesla electric car so an electric sauna just seemed to make sense. She also wanted the benches to flip up so it could be a mobile hot-yoga studio. The colors were more of an emotional choice: I painted it Sea Reflections blue like the ocean, where she likes to swim all year, with a Bonfire Red door to beckon her into the warmth of its interior, and Vanilla Ice Cream trim because, well, who doesn’t like ice cream, especially after a sauna? 

The how, is simple: an 8 KW heater with a standard RV type hook up and a fifty-foot very-heavy extension cord that connects to standard car charging port (or special outdoor outlet). This will also work in many campgrounds with RV hook-ups. In a pinch, it can also be run off an 8500-watt generator.

This sauna also has a solar powered low-voltage lighting system, just so there can always be light and because low voltage systems are safer and more versatile than 120 volt lighting.  I’ve been using these in some mobile wood burners and freestanding units. The neat little solar panel is a conversation starter; people are suddenly aware that the unit is more than a fancy tool shed trailer. When I tell them it’s an electric sauna, the little 25 watt solar panel gets a second glance.

What I envision next  (but probably won’t consider doing unless a client pushes me) is a fully solar electric sauna. It would have to use Tesla’s 270-pound Powerwall home battery, which has an 8kw output capacity. I imagine the entire sauna roof would a have to be a solar panel but I haven’t done the engineering on this. This would not be cheap, but if there is someone out there who wants to be the first…. give me a call…

Dreams come True

Dreams come True

When the client for my latest mobile sauna project contacted me, he told me he needed something that would look and feel like a sauna from back home in Finland. He wanted it to be wood-fired and to get really hot. He wanted the clean lines and rustic charm of Finnish design and even requested a traditional pine tar finish like what the Vikings used on their boats.  As small as it was to be, it was to have the standard two rooms- the sauna room and a dressing room. He also wanted to use the latest solar technology to light it with a soft glow.

But, working for an American company, where he might get moved from time to time, he wanted it to be un-tethered to his house, to be portable so he could always bring it with him, like a cherished possession.

I enjoy challenges–in fact, I thrive on them. One of the advantages of having my own company is that I get to decide how much to put into each project and which projects to really focus on. On some projects, like this one, I get to expand my repertoire. The goal, as always, was to bring my client’s dreams into reality. The result: a mobile sauna on a 81 by 120 inch trailer, under 3000 pounds, with two rooms, solar powered lighting, custom wood stove, northern white cedar interior, and pine tar exterior finish, did just that. I created a little oasis— a reminder of Finland—to park in his back yard, a dream come true.

Saunas are like that. When you have your own, it is a dream come true, a special place to escape into, to relax and unwind. It is tied to old traditions but for many, it is a new experience and can be life-changing. As designer and builder I get to be the midwife for people’s dreams and help them usher in a new way of living or rekindle a past love. As we turn the page to a new year and think about resolutions, what dreams do you want to come true?

mobile sauna by rob licht Custom Saunas
Solar powered lights on mobile sauna by Rob Licht Custom Saunas
Insulating Electric Saunas

Insulating Electric Saunas

I get a lot of questions regarding sauna insulating details and thought I’d shed some light on a few issues. A caveat before I start: heat transfer science gets pretty complicated and I am grossly simplifying things here. I’m not an engineer but I rely on experience and am constantly probing and measuring my own saunas to see what works. A building inspector may want an engineer’s input, but just make sure the engineer understands what happens in a sauna.

If you are building an electric sauna, either in your house or as a stand-alone building, you’ll naturally want to insulate it for efficiency. Normally builders (and building inspectors) think of R-value (printed on every insulation product label) as the golden metric, and the R- values of a wall assembly are typically added up to get a number that either complies with code or satisfies a self imposed trade-off between cost, efficiency and practicality. R Value is the resistance to heat transfer but measures conduction and convection, not radiation, which is not much of a factor at lower temperature differentials. R values are calculated with normal living spaces and long term heat retention in mind, which in a typical home is calculated using an average temperature differential of 24°C (between heated and outside space). Since R= Delta T/ QA , (where QA is the ability of the material to transfer heat) and in a hot sauna Delta T might be 100°C, the use of labeled R factors is totally skewed!

The second factor is time. Heat loss is measured in BTU/ hr. With the sauna only on for few hours a week (bravo if it’s more!) your heat loss will be minimal and hopefully, in the cold months, will contribute to heating the house. So, in terms of cost vs. efficiency, a lot of insulation may be over kill.

At the higher temps of the sauna, the radiant effect of heat is more of a factor and the use of a radiant foil barrier comes into play. The heat you feel radiating from a wood stove is the long wave radiation. This radiation can move through common building materials but foil stops it dead in it’s tracks. Anyone who has nestled under an emergency blanket or protected himself from the fiery of a blast furnace, like when I pour bronze, understands the effectiveness of foil to bounce radiation back towards the heat source. But if the heat source contacts the foil layer, the aluminum superbly conducts the heat, defeating the purpose. So, when building a sauna, it is the radiant foil layer, with an air gap (on the hot side) that is crucial to holding the heat in. This should be backed by as much standard insulation as is practical, but don’t worry about attaining super R – value. The exception being if the wall is an outside wall of the house and a part of the building envelope- then, R-value must be a minimum of what the rest of the house has. I prefer Mineral wool, but in any case do not use XPS or EPS foam directly behind the foil, as they will melt at sauna temps!

Vapor control in an interior sauna is really important especially in modern tight houses, which tend to trap moisture, both for the damage vapor can cause that you can see, such as peeling paint, but more for the damage you won’t see, like moisture condensing in a wall cavity. Radiant foil barrier, when carefully taped at the seams, is also a perfect vapor barrier. When I build interior saunas I think about all of that moisture and imagine where it can get to and wreak havoc. I then seal off those spaces but provide a vented path for it to escape. Some enthusiastic löyly action will turn ladles of water into steam which fills the sauna but then escapes into the house— like when you forget a kettle on the stove and all your windows fog up. The best thing is to build your sauna next to a shower area and then vent that area with a decent bath fan to the outside or via the household HRV system. The sauna should then have an air intake under the heater as per manufacturer’s instructions and via a gap under the door so sauna gets a healthy exchange of fresh air. Never connect the sauna directly to a mechanical ventilation system.

With careful planning of layout, insulation, ventilation moisture control, and a heater that makes good löyly, your indoor electric sauna can feel like a wood burner on a pond’s edge but also be an integral part of your efficient home. (Read more about Sauna foam and best sauna building materials at Sauna Insulation, Revisited)

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Sauna Building Class

Sauna Building Class

For those of you who want to build your own sauna, I will be teaming up with Maria Maria Klemperer-Johnson, founder of the Hammerstone School for a week long sauna building workshop in September. We will cover theory and practice, focusing on all of the details that go into making a sauna. We will work on a pre-framed structure, finishing out the interior. I’ll teach about the design details like what wood to use, proper ventilation and fire codes and we’ll make everything from doors and windows to benches. The finished 8×12 foot sauna will be for sale when the class is over.

The class runs from September 5-10 and will be held at Maria’s school in Trumansburg, NY. This class is open to any gender and is especially suited for couples who want to make a sauna — and the experience of building their own — a part of their lives.